| INTP Discussion Forum > People and Psychology > Astrological signs |
| Posted by: nobarcode Jun 12 2004, 04:49 AM |
| I'm an Aquarian. That makes me a fixed/air sign. Please expound. *edit* Mods, this may be better suited as a "Local Pub" topic. If so, please move it. |
| Posted by: Division56 Jun 12 2004, 04:59 AM |
| I'm a Virgo, don't know what that makes me. |
| Posted by: nobarcode Jun 12 2004, 05:05 AM | ||
earth/mutable please vote...and move this topic if you think it needs to go the Pub. |
| Posted by: smIsle Jun 12 2004, 05:20 AM |
| I'm virgo as well... so, what's the point? ( I don't know anything about astrology (that was a lie, but what I do know isn't very complete/useful/standard). I'll just quote you: expound. |
| Posted by: Strephonade Jun 12 2004, 05:30 AM |
| What is a Taurus? (my sign--will vote if you'll let me know) |
| Posted by: antireconciler Jun 12 2004, 05:57 AM |
| What is your intention? Do you trust astrology? |
| Posted by: nobarcode Jun 12 2004, 06:35 AM | ||||||
Earth/Fixed
Hell, I don't know what the point is other than wondering if there is a point.
Are you paranoid? I don't trust much of anything, hence my sig. My opinion is that belief seems to be detrimental to intelligence. As soon as one believes in any doctrine, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more this happens in one's life, the less there is to think about. The redundant ONE might cease to think and be considered dead under today's current medical standards, where the absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended. |
| Posted by: utopmk19 Jun 12 2004, 08:41 AM |
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| Posted by: relaxo Jun 12 2004, 01:29 PM |
| Aires. ruled by mars, god of WAR! hahaaha |
| Posted by: Vagabond Jun 12 2004, 10:37 PM |
| Like in MBTI and like in everything, once again I am in the middle of things... born under pisces, but in close connection to aquarius. Huh, my vote goes to pisces though, for being "official". EDIT: What is with the mutable/fixed signs? I have no clue... |
| Posted by: CosmicDust Jun 12 2004, 10:45 PM |
| Taurus, Leo, Scorp, Aquarius (middle-of-the-season) = fixed Gemini, Virgo, Sag, Pisces (end of season) = mutable Aries, Cancer, Libra, Cap (beginning of season) = "cardinal" (starting things - kind of in between.) Would these count as mutable for voting purposes? I'm a Leo, so I didn't have to worry. |
| Posted by: nobarcode Jun 13 2004, 03:03 AM | ||||
I have Pisces as my rising sign.
sheesh... I must be in one of my periods of extended absent-mindedness. Of course they would not count as mutable. Well, kinda, but kinda doesn't count. I tried to edit the poll, but I can't. What to do? BTW- Thanks for pointing that out. I'm a bit suprised that more INTP's don't know more about astrology than has been demonstrated. |
| Posted by: Strephonade Jun 13 2004, 04:39 AM |
| Well, I have to admit to being a bit curious about it--wouldn't it be just like an intp to want to discover a mysterious connection between things in the warp and weft of the universe where myriad eyes before had seen nothing? Then again, it could just be a way to meet people and allow them another means of appreciating themselves and others--I like your avatar btw, CosmicDust! I think my moon sign is Pisces, and my rising sign is Leo, but that's as much as I know about it, thus far. |
| Posted by: relaxo Jun 13 2004, 01:38 PM |
| when I was a teenager I was right into astrology. I ended up throwing my astrology book into the fireplace, along with a ouiji board and the bible (yes, I burned a bible!) |
| Posted by: CosmicDust Jun 13 2004, 01:39 PM | ||
Thanks... It's M51, aka the Whirlpool Galaxy, aka NGC 5194 (the famous spiral) and 5195 (the smaller lenticular/irregular-ish "sidekick") for those who don't know. |
| Posted by: grokkfried Jun 13 2004, 08:33 PM |
| I'm a Pisces. Relaxo, I did basically the same thing (Stuck them on a shelf and forgot about them), but recently, I was bored, got back into "that", and was quite shocked. My Astrology sign, Kabalarian name definition, Numerology sign/number, my MBTI, and my Enng. all had a spine of likeness. To me that means it is not 100% bologna. |
| Posted by: CosmicDust Jun 13 2004, 08:58 PM |
| My sun sign in itself is quite unlike my personality in most situations, but if you factor in some of the other stuff like moon (Pisces), rising sign (Sag), and planet placements (Neptune rising, Saturn & Jupiter in Virgo, Mercury in Cancer), it starts to sound a little more like me - although it may only be because more descriptions are added. But then, just adding more doesn't always work, as some descriptions conflict with each other; you have to merge a couple of quirks to make them sound more coherent. Astro.com did this, but another free-birth-chart site did not, so the descriptions in the latter were way more off on average than in the former. I think astrology could work if you think of the Universe as having a fractal order, where we can perceive similar patterns in two dynamical subsystems on different scales (the solar system and a human mind, with the latter technically being part of the former) related by a common cause (the forces of nature that brought the Solar System into being). I can't easily imagine how the configuration of planets and asteroids in the Solar System would directly affect personality, but I can see how our position in spacetime and what the Sun and Earth are up to during a time marked by a certain configuration of the Solar System might affect the conditions of our develompent. It gets hard for a human mind to trace direct cause after a while. This is when we call a system "complex." |
| Posted by: Vagabond Jun 13 2004, 09:44 PM |
| OK... look at this obvious pattern... I am borderline pisces/aquarius; my descendant is aquarius and I have the moon in pisces. I am kind of into astrology. Curious basically, as I can find those common features of personality stand for real in most cases; but horoscopes are SO stupid, that I wouldn't be interested to go further into it. Relaxo, I know what you mean. I have been right where you were - only that I didn't throw anything in fire physically, just inside me. |
| Posted by: Jkrs Jun 13 2004, 09:49 PM |
| Unless Mars is reasonably close to its nearest approach to Earth, the gravitational effects of the delivery room doctor (and presumably your mother, unless we're all a bunch of test-tube brats) are stronger than that of every other non-Earth object in the solar system, combined. That said, I'm a pisces, and I have no clue how the rest of the signs and whatnot are arranged for me. |
| Posted by: Vagabond Jun 13 2004, 09:55 PM |
| Wow. Go pisces. We outnumber them all |
| Posted by: Metimbo=IMMT Jun 13 2004, 10:57 PM |
| Cancer here =p ~Tim |
| Posted by: shaytana Jun 13 2004, 11:34 PM |
| I am Aquarius. I dont know much about it, I remember reading a description when I was like 12 and it fit me good, haven't looked into it further since then. |
| Posted by: relaxo Jun 14 2004, 12:45 PM |
| but doesn't the sun go through different constellations now? maybe these 12 original were made by someone looking into different personalities, and they figured there were 12 basic personalities. and some variations, which account for the moon sign and all that other jazz. |
| Posted by: CosmicDust Jun 14 2004, 01:11 PM |
| It goes through the same 13 (Ophiuchus takes up most of the time allotted to "Sagittarius," with the rest of that time being in Scorpius) constellations, but not at the same times it used to, thanks to the Earth's precession. Still, the regions on the sky - the "signs" - in Western astrology retain the names of the famous constellations they used to correspond to. However, I heard Indian astrology accounts for precession, so by that system I'd be a Cancer. Leo is my Western sign; Cancer is my constellation. |
| Posted by: barge Jun 14 2004, 01:57 PM |
| The signs are not calculated by the constellations of the same name. They are calculated by divisions of the Earth's ecliptic. The common belief that astrology is based upon the constellations is the favorite nit to pick of denouncers. Yes, the constellations are no longer in the same place that they were centuries ago. The constellations are not used in astrology as it is not a study of stars at all, it is a study of planets, geometry, time, and causality. |
| Posted by: pokerwolf Jun 14 2004, 11:57 PM |
| Pisces I don't know anything about astology, but google found this: http://www.astrology.com/allaboutyou/sunsigns/pisces.html And it sounds more accurate than I would have thought. |
| Posted by: barge Jun 15 2004, 02:01 AM |
| Pisceans are the most Karmaically "evolved" of the signs, often having a difficult time expressing themselves to the rest of us still wallowing in the primordial mud. As the 12th and last sign of the life experience Pisces is the most enlightened. They are the escapists, and the most complex. Something cool about them though--they never really leave. Pisceans always show up again, picking up right where they left off. They make the best friends. On another note--being Cardinal Earth I cannot vote in the poll. |
| Posted by: CosmicDust Jun 15 2004, 02:23 AM |
| [JOKING]Oh, so I'm in the lower 50% of karmic evolution. I have a long way to go...good thing I don't believe in afterlives reincarnation, or souls that are not functions of individual bodies interacting with the world. But maybe that's just a result of my low evolutionary state.[/JOKING] |
| Posted by: barge Jun 15 2004, 03:32 AM |
| hey I am no Piscean either. But really, what I am talking about is the archetype more than the individual in questoin. |
| Posted by: relaxo Jun 15 2004, 01:59 PM | ||
I would think the favourite nit to pick would be that I can read the description of all 12 constellations, I mean, star signs, and I sound like each one of them to a certain extent. Oh but that is explained by other planetary positions. yes of course. |
| Posted by: Slider Jun 15 2004, 05:51 PM |
| Astrology is a bunch of crap. I'm a 'capricorn' and its nothing like me. It does, however, describe my SJ mom and sister quite well. |
| Posted by: relaxo Jun 15 2004, 08:02 PM |
| the problem with astrology is that the bull is in uranus |
| Posted by: INTrPosr Jun 30 2004, 02:35 PM |
| As a typical INTP, I have made a connection to astrology/mbti. In my opinion, dominant thinkers will have a proponent of Air sign somewhere (sun, ascending, moon). Dominant intuitives will have Fire in one of the major areas, dominant sensors would have earth and dominant feelers will have water. BTW, Sun in Gemini, Aries rising and moon in Taurus. |
| Posted by: Lovechild Jun 30 2004, 04:54 PM |
| How can gas floating around millions of light years away have any impact on my life - the laws of physics doesn't allow for it. |
| Posted by: nobarcode Jun 30 2004, 06:05 PM | ||
Atoms and smaller particles do have an "energy" that affect other atoms and quirks. Quite different than Newtonian Physics, Quantum Physics, has in fact allowed for it. But I find astrology almost strictly intuitive, in terms of interpretation. To me it's a projection of "thought" and a reception of "thought" over the course of many years. This seems to have affected that reality map so to say. yes, pop astrology and sun signs generally don't make much sense. |
| Posted by: misspadfoot Jul 1 2004, 12:48 AM |
| I think astrology is a fascinating endeavor that combines the scientific and the spiritual. It is also the legendary real-life application of trigonometry that your eleventh-grade math teacher never told you about. Of course, there is the slight drawback of its being based on a load of crap. That hasn't stopped me from learning all about astrology, however. It's kind of fun to know about these things. I was born on a cusp: Sagittarius/Scorpio. If I had to be one or the other, I think it would be Sagittarius, which is fire/mutable. Scorpio is water/fixed. I think I'm mostly like Gemini, which is air/mutable. I'm not as extraverted as a Gemini, though. I think the stereotypical Gemini is an ENTP. (I prefer to talk about personality in terms of the MBTI and Jungian functions.) I think astrology and the MBTI may have some things in common. For example, I think fixed and mutable qualities are like the MBTI's Judging and Perceiving dimensions, respectively. I also think the elements bear a strong resemblance to the Keirsey temperaments. I'm not a big Keirsey fan by any stretch of the imagination, but the parallels were too strong for me not to point out: Air elements are like Keirsey's "Rational" NTs, Water corresponds with the "Idealist" NFs, Earth goes with the "Guardian" SJs, and Fire elements are the "Artisan" SPs. If you go to http://www.llewellyn.com/free/mpq.php?tab=elements, you'll find an interesting article on the subject as well as a decent test, which I will cross-post in the proper section. |
| Posted by: Iyalmej Jul 1 2004, 05:10 AM |
| Awsome topic. I'm a Gemini/Leo/Pisces, for anyone else having Pisces anywhere in their chart, I have to say it's sometimes really hard to deal with, specially because I am an INTP and a Gemini. No offense, but traditional astrology like "Gemini is fickle" and "Taurus is always stubborn" makes me want to gag, there is so much more to astrology than just that. So, you can't base the way you are by just finding out your sun sign, at any rate, that's just me, go Neptune. ~*Iya*~ |
| Posted by: utopmk19 Jul 1 2004, 06:48 AM | ||||
It is very well known that capricorns are the least likely to belive in astrology...
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| Posted by: INTrPosr Jul 1 2004, 01:56 PM | ||
I think that I have taken that test in the past. I do recall receiving the same results. Your Q Score is: 11 The Q score ideally should be as small as possible, indicating maximum agreement among elements. However, even a tiny Q score may not mean optimal functioning, since all four elements may in fact be relatively undeveloped. Your Primary Mythical Creature Air Types The main strength of the Air types is intellect. The second element indicates the most probable focus for this intellectual activity. Air with Fire Astrologically associated with Aquarius and the Eleventh House Firebird types are idealistic and driven to achieve something of social or artistic value. They have a strong sense of social justice associated with powerful moral and religious convictions. These convictions are often chosen by the individual on the basis of reason rather than simply received from an existing tradition. They are brilliant at producing original ideas and creative solutions to problems and are good at inspiring others to put them into practice. They can be impatient for results. They hate routine and lose interest once a problem has been addressed, moving swiftly on to the next challenge. They are intense and need a high level of autonomy. They are sociable but goal-oriented. They have good leadership potential but are really more concerned with problem solving. They are unconventional and often radical. Your Shadow Creature Earth Types All the Earth types have problems relating to productivity and stability. The weakest element indicates the main focus of these problems. Earth and Water This shadow wants to control everything. They want to control everyone, and will keep people at a distance except to do this. They don?t trust emotions because they are random and unfathomable. They seek to control their emotions too, to avoid being engulfed by them. They fear the unknown and hate what is hidden from them. From this comes a compulsive urge to reveal everything as far as possible and to categorize it. This can represent the sum of what they achieve, while more substantial goals are ignored. Even emotions are rationalized away or simply ignored, making them insensitive and callous. The biggest obstacle of weak Water is to overcome insensitivity and alienation; the biggest obstacle of weak Earth is to overcome self-centeredness and greed. |
| Posted by: ApostateAbe Jul 12 2004, 05:30 AM |
| Isn't this poll evidence enough that astrological "signs" are bunk? We are all INTPs, yet the results are what you would expect from a random selection of people. It shows that the time of year you were born has NO bearing on what type of person you will become. Contrast this with the poll I made about religion. 70% of us chose atheist/agnostic despite being a tiny minority in the general population of English speakers. |
| Posted by: spaced Jul 15 2004, 04:41 AM |
| I had always suspected that astrology was a giant load of crap, but after having my birth chart done out of curiosity, I'm pretty well convinced that it is. It told me, among other things, that I was a natural leader, very organized, and detested abstract concepts |
| Posted by: misspadfoot Jul 15 2004, 10:38 PM | ||
You know, that's a damn good point. I'm ashamed that I didn't bring it up. My astrological report said, among other things: "You are best placed in governmental, municipal, political, or large business organizations where hierarchy is very exactly defined. The key word for your professional orientation is responsibility." Actually, I am best placed in disorganizations where hierarchy doesn't exist. It also said, "You express your sensitivity through an emotional need to nurture and be nurtured by others." Yeah, sure. Whenever I see anyone, I go up to them, give them a hug, and say, "I really need you to nurture me!" |
| Posted by: Odyssey Jul 22 2004, 06:34 AM |
| *looks at poll* Yep, I can safely reconclude that astrology is bunk. ~Oddy |