| INTP Discussion Forum > The Local Pub > Offense |
| Posted by: relaxo May 19 2004, 04:58 AM |
| I was wondering why people get offended. What logical purpose does being offended serve. and why do INTPs always seem so afraid that they are offending someone. and why do other people want to offend. any ideas? |
| Posted by: Vagabond May 19 2004, 04:50 PM | ||||||
I don't really think it is about logic, it sounds more than a feeler's thing; some people really need to belong, so they care too much about their image. Self-efficiency is not really strong to them, so attacking their image is hm... a disaster...? It is the "I am what I appear to be" thing, I guess...
My guess is because we couldn't care less about personal attacks, we prefer proving the other wrong on a rational bases; since we don't get offended that easily, we get double cautious of not saying something that will be too much for a feeler... we are kind of in the dark though, it is out of our area, so we might either sound offensive when we don't mean to, or be too cautious in order to avoid it.
Because they want to win in order to gain (self) esteem. Not everyone can go by the rational way and prove someone wrong; not everyone detaches and is indifferent to what people think... Still, I don't think I have put my finger on it completely.... just some first thoughts. |
| Posted by: Division56 May 19 2004, 06:03 PM |
| Has anyone had an F go crazy trying to offend them, and when it doesn't work get angrier and angrier. I had that happen to me earlier this month on a different board. The guy kept hurling insults and acting immature. Whenever I tried to bring up what he was saying, he would say I was childish and all I could see was his insults because they were true. I can't stand arguing with angry Fs, they're scared by us. They know we can see through their facades and they see their insults don't affect us. |
| Posted by: grokkfried May 19 2004, 06:44 PM |
| Aye, Div, I know what you mean. I'm a bit of a chatter, and when I go to public rooms, the guy that is always rude to people (and seemingly always there), tried his bologna with me, and when it didn't work, I think he tried every bully-tactic in the book, and finally just left me alone after losing. Now I can make fun of him at will to kill off his arrogance and make him look a fool, and he says nothing. Thank you Cyrano de Bergerac. Thank you Vagabond. I was going to give a much less-mature response to that one, but your insight reminded me to grow up. Cynical as it may seem, I was going to say (In retort to "why do other people want to offend".), that it seems people define their lives through suffering, and those with too much, sometimes want to push it on other individuals for whatever the reason, because of whatever reason. |
| Posted by: flan2dave May 19 2004, 07:41 PM |
| Feeling offended alerts you to anything somebody or a group has said or done that could be harmful to your esteem or image. It's an important reaction if you are dealing with something that is truly descructive like discrimination, not so necessary if the offender has no impact on your life. For those who like to offend it's a power thing, they have the ability so they are proud to use it. I notice this habit forms most quickly and primitively in teen groups among the lower ranks, their conversation centers around making fun of others, scaffle holding every other word with f this and f'n that. A pretty pathetic case. Another instance where back talking became the "in" thing is in my college english class, where the students talked with energy and animation on the topic about how weird the senile the teacher is. It's like they are afraid they can not connect on any other level other than ganging up on somebody. This is probably more normal than my last example because the previous group was composed of under-aged drinkers and pot-heads. I do appreciate it when the offender is taking advantage of people who are overly sensitive or have something to be ashamed of. |
| Posted by: INTrPosr May 19 2004, 08:20 PM | ||
Okay, the next time someone informs you that you are not competent, or confirms something that you are feeling inept about. Tell me if you are offended..... or if someone feeds you line of bull that you perceive as an insult to your intelligence, question if you are feeling offended. I don't see that INTPs are immune to taking offense, especially when a ruling principle is violated as they say. We prefer to keep our opinion internal. Moreso, we do not want to appear to have lost our cool.... We may momentarily stew on it, then go on about our business. |
| Posted by: INTPs_Rule! May 21 2004, 08:01 PM |
| Offend: To cause displeasure, anger, resentment, or wounded feelings in. To violate a moral or divine law; sin ________________________________________________________ It is kinda strange. I think i am immune to being offended. After all, i think feelings are irrelevant to judgment. Further, morality is completely subjective. One side calls it a victorious battle, the other side calls it a slaughter. One side calls them rebels, the other side calls them patriots. etc I don't think i've ever been offended. I believe there are several reasons for this. 1) I respect all views so when a statement is made cont to my beliefs i simply analyze it. 2) When true statements are made about say, a weakness of mine i will either agree or counter. For example, "You are so stupid for smoking!" My response: "Well, Albert Einstein smoked and he still managed to formulate special relativity." 3) I negate all emotional and social interdependence. "You aren't cool enough to do this or that with him or her” Response: "Yeah well i'm really crushed" 4) I justify failure though arrogance. Rejection is always thier loss. The list goes on and on but you get the idea. However, I do experience things close to being offended. Like when i saw the nick berg video i was grossed out. When i heard teachers were showing the video to high school students, I thought that was inappropriate. Study it yes, show it no. Or if a teacher deemed it very important to see, have students and parents sign permission slips or something like that. So i agree, i see no reason to ever be offended. It is exceptionally rare for me to be offended. Except i don't worry too much about offending other people, especially when revealing truth or fact. |
| Posted by: relaxo May 22 2004, 02:14 PM | ||||
but why would I be offended? Someone tells me I'm incompetent. So I either value their judgement and ask why, or I don't value their judgement and can dismiss them. Maybe if it happens in front of others. Kind of like a pecking order challenge. The monkeys are sitting around and one monkey makes fun of another to show he is better and can move up the social ladder in the minds of the other monkeys. Who is the dominant monkey. We know people will put others down to try and pump themselves up. So I guess offense is a reaction to make sure you are not taken down the social ladder. In a primative society it could have serious implication on your survival if other members of the tribe are not willing to cooperate with you. if you are seen as a burden to the tribe and costing more resources than you should be. In a business environment it could have a huge impact on your financial well being. Everyone makes fun of that guy, he'd be a terrible project leader. ya I hear he's really dumb, he'll never move up in this company. I think it is the church of satan that says if someone insults you do not hesitate or hold back to utterly destroy them. Now, they might be talking about using satanic powers to instantly obliterate the offender into tiny little pieces, but the idea is there. If you insult someone and they lay into you good, you learn the lesson. You won't be coming back to insult them again. |