INTP Discussion Forum > The News Agency > Gay USA!


Posted by: relaxo May 18 2004, 12:46 PM
wow gay marriage in Massachusetts. Thank goodness for Boston.
I know there will be challenges to it, might even get over turned, but the USA is the 4th country in the world to allow gay marrage now.

I'd like to point out, that Canada allowed it a few months ago. I think there are some big challeneges to it here.

So, in all of the homophobic North American continent, only Mexico is left.
And in gay friendly Europe only Belgium and the Netherlands allow it.
But I'm always told how gay friendly Europe is and how backwards we are here in North America. Just more European smoke (and boy do they smoke, but we're the unhealthy ones apparently) to cover their true conservative ultra-religious nature.
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What state will be next? California?

Posted by: Vagabond May 18 2004, 02:01 PM
Well, hypocresy is indeed an issue in Europe... everyone is "open-minded" about what people do in their beds, but God forbid, do not make it official... yikes. It is not about religion, still... it is about conservatism, as you pointed out. Europeans seem to have a great deal of trouble realising that tradition is good as a bases, from which you have to move on if you are going to evolve - they fear that changes in their traditional ways are going to bring their standards upside down. We lack rationality over here; I find a hell of a lot more honesty in someone that is against something (gays for instance - even though I disagree), but acting open-minded about their rights to exist in hiding and rejecting the idea of officially accepting those rights, well... speak about narrow-mindness. intp/alttongue.gif

Posted by: Hush May 18 2004, 04:29 PM
Small-mindedness is exposed in larger quantities; this behaviour is global and a part of norming in societies. It isn't easily resolved since it stems from a natural code that we are suited to, and societies adapt from history on a more generational rate (I wonder how much comes and go) so we will always deal with these sorts of things, especially when we're not fixating on the ethics underneath it all.

Posted by: Lovechild May 18 2004, 06:44 PM
Correction; in Gay friendly Europe, Danmark allows Gay marriage as well, in fact we were the first nation in the world to:

1) allow gay marriage
2) perform a sex change operation
3) free picture porn.

Posted by: Metimbo=IMMT May 24 2004, 04:27 PM
Hmmm... I am probably the exception rather than the rule (normally am LOL). But, I would be considered "narrow minded" when it comes to "gay issues" (and a host of others that others might deem politically incorrect).
It's not that I've always been this way. I have come to these conclusions through years of study, research, and yes....experimentation.
I am religious for those that don't know by now. However, most of my convictions come not as a result of me being religious, but analytical thought about "right and wrong" and "global consequences".

My "narrow mindedness" is not the lack of ability to be "open minded enough" to agree, but rather the decision that acts are "wrong". A decision that there is a "morality"....ifyou will....

If there were a group of people that liked shooting each other and all agreed that it was ok to shoot each other and be shot, I would disagree with it. Just because so-called "consenting adults" agree upon something, doesn't make it "right". Lack of morality is, and has been taking it's toll on this world. The more "open minded" and "PC" that people get, I think you will likely see the more de-humanizing and more "victimization of the individual", rather than people taking responsibility for, not only their actions, but others as well.

I don't know if any of this made any sense, or even if it contradicts itself. I've had the brain off for a few days out of town, and just now re-booting.
~Tim

Posted by: Division56 May 24 2004, 11:55 PM
I would flame with you over this, but I recently took up a new motto:


Fighting on the internet is like competing in the special olympics

Even if you win, you're still retarded.

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Posted by: Vagabond May 24 2004, 11:58 PM
QUOTE (Division56 @ May 25 2004, 01:55 AM)
Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Man, that was cruel... it still cracked me up though laugh.gif (such a bitch I am)

Posted by: giftedmadness Jun 15 2004, 02:52 AM
Am I the only conservative, Christian, non pro-gay INTP in the world? ;-p

Posted by: Division56 Jun 15 2004, 03:18 AM
QUOTE (giftedmadness @ Jun 15 2004, 02:52 AM)
Am I the only conservative, Christian, non pro-gay INTP in the world? ;-p

Well, since Tim took a leave of absence, yes.

BTW, I'm the liberal, atheist, gay intp. dry.gif

Posted by: relaxo Jun 15 2004, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (Vagabond @ May 24 2004, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE (Division56 @ May 25 2004, 01:55 AM)
Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Man, that was cruel... it still cracked me up though laugh.gif (such a bitch I am)

but you WIN!!!! WIN!!! A retarded Winner is better than a retarded loser!

Posted by: Vagabond Jun 15 2004, 11:29 PM
QUOTE (relaxo @ Jun 15 2004, 05:03 PM)
QUOTE (Vagabond @ May 24 2004, 07:58 PM)
QUOTE (Division56 @ May 25 2004, 01:55 AM)
Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Man, that was cruel... it still cracked me up though laugh.gif (such a bitch I am)

but you WIN!!!! WIN!!! A retarded Winner is better than a retarded loser!

OK... if it means so much to you I promise I will let you win intp/harhar1.gif

Giftedmadness, I am a liberal, christian (heretic), straight INTP myself... but OK - vive la difference, right? wink.gif